VAC Is fuckin shit....

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    Quote Originally Posted by naxel View Post
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    No lolyou lolyou.
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    The hack itself was never detected.
    This is a really lame excuse. You got banned, and yet you say "Valve is bad". At the end of the day you got banned for cheating, end of story, Valve wins, yet again.
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    The ultimate proof that people are actually scared of Valve is that none of them would dare to cheat on their main accounts (and avoid detection).

    General Rule 1: If you been banned, at least once by Valve, you are not in a position to say "Valve is bad".

    General Rule 2: If you cheat, but never on your main, you are not in a position to say "Valve is bad".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valve View Post
    This is a really lame excuse. You got banned, and yet you say "Valve is bad". At the end of the day you got banned for cheating, end of story, Valve wins, yet again.

    The ultimate proof that people are actually scared of Valve is that none of them would dare to cheat on their main accounts (and avoid detection).

    General Rule 1: If you been banned, at least once by Valve, you are not in a position to say "Valve is bad".
    General Rule 2: If you cheat, but never on your main, you are not in a position to say "Valve is bad".
    Let's get back to why VAC as an ANTIcheat is bad.
    Sure, it detects hacks, mostly public ones. But then again, this is only due to them hiring people that manually go through the submitted hacks.

    Secondly, an anticheat is usually designed to prevent cheating in the first place, which is entirely different to what VAC is doing. It catches those hacking with (detected) hacks, where as neither their overwatch-system is doing any good (I mean, come on. Players who judge others, meh..). VAC does not prevent me from cheating though. Developers like over at Heroes of Newerth, DotA2, ... do better.

    I think we might also need to differ between VAC, as a software to detected 'malicious' files and the game which could prevent a whole lot of hacks already.

    Coming to my conclusion I think VAC can get credits for detecting hacks, but in terms of preventing all this extra work Valve needs to add to catch cheaters, they could definitely do better. By a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tracky View Post
    Let's get back to why VAC as an ANTIcheat is bad.
    Sure, it detects hacks, mostly public ones. But then again, this is only due to them hiring people that manually go through the submitted hacks.
    It depends on what you want to accomplish.

    i) Preventing Cheats. Then VAC is bad. Valve does not prevent cheats. Not even detected ones. Go around and blatantly cheat for a few days, using the most obvious detected cheat ever, nothing will happen to you. For those several days.

    ii) Preventing Careers. By a "career", I mean, having a reputable steam profile, with many friends, people who know you, and with whom you game. Steam is like an online world, and you develop a repuation as a gamer. Valve prevents people from falsely getting the respect of their gaming career from other players by cheating to be better.

    Which for the two is the better methodology? We see Steam as a community of gamers. It is far more important to stop the undeserved gamers than the nobodies who cheat for a while. Indeed, if you get a brand new account, and are suddently good, people will know you cheat anyway, and nobody will give you any reputation as a gamer.

    By preventing cheats, instantly, and instantly banning people, we sacrifice (ii). It is hard to keep (i) and (ii) compatible together. In order to keep (ii), which is more important, we cannot take the approach of (i) to its fullest extent.

    There is an easy way though, to prevent 99% of all cheating. Require players to have a certain number of hours and certain number of years on their profile. Valve can do that, but it will not. But this is an easy approach that we can take that will actually prevent cheating.

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    ya vac sux

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    But if i release this my Copy pasted shitty triggerbot then its detected instantly i think

    aaand i dont release shitty copy paste triggerbot beacuse i didnt code it

    I release things what i made only

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    That's why Valves Anti Cheat is bad:

    Steam Community :: shao

    By the way, I have never been Vac banned, clueless kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valve View Post

    There is an easy way though, to prevent 99% of all cheating. Require players to have a certain number of hours and certain number of years on their profile. Valve can do that, but it will not. But this is an easy approach that we can take that will actually prevent cheating.
    Wait, what?!
    Are you implying that new legitimate players shouldnt be allowed to play on VAC secured games?
    That really doesn't make sense...

    Anyways, I am still going good with 1300 hours and an inventory worth $1500
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    Quote Originally Posted by vixt View Post
    ya vac sux
    If you been VAC banned before you cannot complain.

    By the way, I have never been Vac banned, clueless kid.
    So? A few exceptional cases do not negate my proposition.

    By your reasoning a locked door is a bad security device, because you know one person who got broken in with having it. When you are talking about millions of people you can find all sort of people. It is all about the aggregate.

    Wait, what?!
    Are you implying that new legitimate players shouldnt be allowed to play on VAC secured games?
    No, I am not implying that. You made that up yourself.

    But veteran players should be able to choose to play only with other veteran players, if they feel this greatly minimizes their chances of playing against cheaters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nbot View Post
    That's why Valves Anti Cheat is bad:

    Steam Community :: shao

    By the way, I have never been Vac banned, clueless kid.
    lol, you have been banned today?

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