Undead Guide by RoCkoTiTLaN.

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    Undead Guide by RoCkoTiTLaN.

    B A S I C * I N F O *

    HEROES:

    1. DEATH KNIGHT

    This is the most common and basic hero choice for undead. By picking him as your 1st, 2nd or even 3rd hero you just can't go wrong, with a bit of skill and experience he becomes a real nightmare for all of your oponents.

    Strengths:

    - very fast
    - great for harassing
    - very versatile and resilient with Deathpact
    - superb skills for both damage dealing and support


    Weaknesses:

    - none (yes it's true, this hero has just everything a superb hero needs)

    Note: It is a very good idea to get death pact instead of aura level 2 when your dk hits level 4. It will help him survive (it's better to lose 1 unit than this hero).

    2. LICH

    This is the most common choice for the second hero in most matchups, except the UvU matches where he's taken as the first hero choice. Great support hero with lots of damage potential.

    Strengths:

    - attacks at range
    - good allaround support
    - very strong offensive aoe spell
    - ability to recover mana very fast

    Weaknesses:

    - low hitpoints
    - very powerful but rarely used ultimate
    - strange movement pattern (this can be annoying sometimes)

    3. DREADLORD

    Another most common choice for second or even first hero. Very good at supporting/disabling.

    Strengths:

    - aoe damage
    - superb ultimate
    - very good disabler (sleep, infernal)
    - good support for melee units (vampiric aura)

    Weaknesses:

    - rather slow
    - medicore hitpoints
    - needs a lot of mana at low levels

    4. CRYPTLORD

    Usually taken as third hero. Sometimes as first when going mass fiends. Rather good at soaking up damage and his aoe stun is very nice.

    Strengths:

    - very tough
    - aoe damage + stun
    - a lot of hitpoints
    - makes additional meatshields (carrion beetles)

    Weaknesses:

    - low mana
    - large (hard to micro sometimes)

    UNITS:

    1. Ghouls

    S:

    - fast
    - cheap
    - can heal fast after battle with cannibalize
    - deal damage very fast with upgrade

    W:

    - very low hitpoints

    2. Fiends

    S:

    - can burrow
    - huge damage
    - counter air
    - nice hitpoints

    W:

    - slow
    - expensive
    - hard to micro due to large collision size

    3. Gargoyles

    S:

    - fast
    - HUGE a-a damage
    - can heal/wear off spells very fast

    W:

    - unarmored
    - low hitpoints

    4. Abominations

    S:

    - nice damage
    - can heal fast after battle with cannibalize
    - additional dot with upgrade
    - lots of hitpoints

    W:

    - slow
    - large
    - expensive

    5. Destroyers:

    S:

    - fast
    - lots of armour
    - immune to magic
    - very good damage
    - lots of hitpoints

    W:



    - expensive
    - heavy tech

    * B U I L D * O R D E R S *

    Basic

    Crypt
    Altar
    Ziggurat
    Shop
    Ziggurat

    This is the most basic buildorder for Undead, you should make it when facing random player (unless you really want to go mass fiends no matter what race your oponent plays). It's very versatile and allows for a lot of flexibility, it can also be altered quite easily.

    1.a. Fast Hero

    Altar
    Ziggurat
    Crypt
    Shop
    Ziggurat

    This is the build you should use if you want to get your hero out a bit faster (if you suspect harass from orcish blademaster etc. or you want to harass yourself - good vs fast expanding humans).

    1.b. Fast Fiends

    Graveyard
    Crypt
    Altar
    Ziggurat
    Shop
    Ziggurat

    This is the build you should use when going straight out fiends.
    It is best done with only 2 ghouls gathering wood in the beginning (you produce 1 ghoul and then start pumping out fiends) but you MUST add third ghoul to wood later on (I usually go for a bit slower first fiend and add 3rd ghoul right away).

    2. Dual crypt ghoul rush*

    2x Crypt
    Ziggurat
    Altar
    Ziggurat
    Shop
    Ziggurat

    Note: This is a very hardcore strat that rarely will work vs a decent player. Best hero for first choice here is Dreadlord with sleep/aura, or Dark Ranger with Dark Arrow, with this strat you have to own fast or get owned yourself (you don't tech to t2, just rush and pump up more ghouls)

    3. Advanced

    Now some more advanced things to add to your build orders - what to do later on.
    You must always remember that Undead is very tech-reliant race and you can't neglect it. There are some common problems when teching:
    1. Your enemy knows that you need tech to win so he will most likely try to harass you to delay it as much as he can
    2. You can't produce acolytes while teching so you should be very vigilant at such times (never leave your base without TP during tech)
    3. If you went for fiends first then your economy is suffering pretty much and your tech will be most likely a bit delayed

    Usually you want to tech:
    1. With ghouls first - after 4-5 ghouls, when you leave your main for the first time
    2. With fiends first - after 4th fiend

    You must also remember that getting to t3 is crucial for you in 98% cases so you should save up some gold/wood during tech to t2 so you can start your t3 right after t2 is done.
    If you want to go necro/wagon then make 2 temples and 1 slaughterhouse right after you reach t2, then proceed with t3 tech if eco allows you to.

    3.a. MU dependant build orders

    This is when/what kind of buildings you should get with some more advanced strats/switches:
    vs UD - there are basically 2 ways of playing this matchup and each one requires different tech/units:
    1. DK/fiends -> destroyers - with this strat you should go for fast fiend build, when you hit t2 you should get lich and 2 slaughterhouses with immediate tech to t3 (you can delay lich). During tech try to mass statues and when you hit t3 start your destroyer form upgrade as soon as possible and add DL or CL.
    2. Lich/ghouls -> gargs - this is the most common way to play this matchup, you want to tech to t2 while harassing enemy with lich + ghouls, when t2 is on it's way you should add up a graveyard, second crypt and another ziggurat. When t2 is done make sacrificial pit (shades help a lot), start pumping out gargs and upgrading their attack, you can add 1 slaughterhouse and tech to t3 if your eco is fine (you won a battle causing some damage to the enemy).

    * V A R I O U S * M A T C H U P S *

    1. Undead vs Undead

    This is very micro/macro/timing/experience dependant matchup. Basically you want to go mass ghoul -> mass garg with lich as first hero and dk as second hero, better players won't add dk as they want their lich to level up as fast as possible (lich level 5 is crucial here).
    There are other strats used for this mu but I think this one works best so far.
    Some important things to remember:
    - you should harass as much as you can, with lich/ghouls first, when lich is level 3 and you can afford it you could buy invis pot and staff of teleport and go harass enemy acolytes
    - scrolls are very important, try not to engage into garg vs garg or garg vs fiend battle without scroll of protection and scroll of healing
    - if you're facing fiends with your gargs don't panic, you can still own them, take some ghouls and when you see enemy just nova + focus fire with gargs on one fiend at a time while ghouls cause some chaos among their ranks

    Note: Some people say that Dreadlord is better than Lich first here. Personally I don't think so, avoiding surround is easy, waking up from sleep too and lich deals a lot more damage and can recover mana fast.

    2. Undead vs Orc

    People may say that this is going to be the easiest matchup for you. It won't.
    What orc has that pwns you so hard?
    1. Blademaster - the bane of acolytes
    2. Shadow Hunter - general disruption
    3. Tauren Chieftain - one tough mother f****r with really nasty stun/aoe dmg
    4. Raiders - ensnare is imba
    5. Batriders - nasty, very nasty

    What should you do?
    Basicaly you want to get destros as soon as possible, but you want some fiends too to protect them from bats, this is quite hard to achieve because of the costs so you'll have to go for compromise:
    - earlier destros but later fiends
    - later destros but earlier fiends
    This depends on what your oponent is currently using. If he goes raiders then ghoul/destro will be fine, if he's going vyws (or air in general) then fiend/destro. If you're going ghoul/destro it might be a good idea to switch later into fiends or abos.
    It is also a good idea to add Panda as your third hero. It will help you survive the outrageously powerfull orcish mass air.

    Things that might help:
    - try to kill a couple of orc burrows (they go down really fast with destros)
    - skelly rods
    - scrolls

    3. Undead vs Night Elf

    This will be the hardest matchup for you in most cases because of a couple of things:
    - nelf units >>> your units
    - heroes usually used by nelf seem to be specially designed to kill undead (warden/panda combo is a nightmare)

    Things you should do:
    - usually ghoul/garg but mass fiends -> abos work sometimes
    - get TONS of scrolls of healing (they can kill your army in 10 seconds if you haven't got them)
    - harass a lot (try to get some wisps early and constantly harass him with gargs if you went for them)
    - keep scouting (nelves usually get a lot of expansions, try to kill them)
    - expand (never a bad idea in this mu)
    - nuke his heroes, force tp or do whatever you can if the fight isn't going to be on your terms, just back off or try to push him back
    - if he's going for mass dryads then abo/wagon or necro/wagon will be a good option for you (disease upgrade is a must), also try adding 1 or 2 wyrms in case the bears appear (they also help kill his heroes)

    4. Undead vs Human

    This is the most balanced matchup for you. Here it all goes down to micro in most cases. You should usually go ghoul/destro -> abo/destro or garg/destro (depends on his unit choice), also necro/wagon with solo dk is really nice versus human players. Three heroes is a must I think since he will be using 3 in most cases. Early harassment on his fast expansion (which he will most likely try to get) can really help you.
    You should avoid going fast fiends because footies with defend will be a pain in the ass for you (unless you feel confident with your fiend micro).
    If the enemy has towered himself heavily and is not harassing you/fighting you openly then you should make a shade immediately to see what is he hiding from you (mass gryphon or mass tanks or the combination of this two is a pain).
    If you see gryphons then go gargs/destros, if you see tanks then add up some wagons and ghouls/abos/necros.
    - This is a Guide on how to win 90% of your games useing Undead. I figure since im a 95% undead player and i win most all my games, ill post a thread on how i play Undead, for those who suck with Undead can learn by useing my strat's and start winning more games. Hope you enjoy..

    Regards, RoCko
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    epic fail a retard could do better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoyoshawty View Post
    epic fail a retard could do better
    Why do you feel this hatred?
    He tried to help and did it pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoyoshawty View Post
    epic fail a retard could do better
    LOL,what are u talking about idiot.GJ to rockotitlan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoyoshawty View Post
    epic fail a retard could do better
    i dont think u could do any better.

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    Very nice guide. kudos.

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    you guys r welcome and i think i did a pretty job considering im Top #3 undead player on USEAST Realm sos therefor this is a auto winable strat if your good undead

    Regards RoCko,

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    Looks like a nicely written guide I prefer to use wyrms more frequently because of their power, but that is personal preference.

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    Thanks i tryed Undead is my best Race!! enjoy

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